tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post965386561061583224..comments2023-09-19T05:24:41.264-07:00Comments on Being and quirkiness: Roots are for salad plantsBeing and Quirkinesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07583685928768315045noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-11396067314985477402009-04-29T07:00:00.000-07:002009-04-29T07:00:00.000-07:00DB,
We approach reality though a constant back and...DB,<br />We approach reality though a constant back and forth between reality and our perception of reality. Truth is the adequacy betweeen intelligence and reality. <br /><br />CS,<br />Subastance principle is what is neither concrete nor abstract and commmon both to the concrete (a particular poison ivy) and the abstract (poison ivy - as a universal).Being and Quirkinesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583685928768315045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-42612182512087263952009-04-28T13:33:00.000-07:002009-04-28T13:33:00.000-07:00I agree with you about the substance-principle vie...I agree with you about the substance-principle view of reality. With poison ivy is it not the rash that is principle; and substance its ability to interact with <br />the skin? The interaction varies with different people.<br />Have I understood correctly? Count SneakyCount Sneakyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996792466850803692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-80407241941943501682009-04-27T18:15:00.000-07:002009-04-27T18:15:00.000-07:00But what if reality and the thought of reality are...But what if reality and the thought of reality are the same thing? If all we are seeing is shadows on a wall with no knowledge of any other reality causing the shadows, then our interpretation of those shodows is our reality and interpretation is a mental thing.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144446186279708019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-89186342408566605702009-04-27T05:46:00.000-07:002009-04-27T05:46:00.000-07:00@care,
This post has attracted the salad aficionad...@care,<br />This post has attracted the salad aficionados ;) Thanks for pointing that out, translating can be tricky.Being and Quirkinesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583685928768315045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-21243181611826786762009-04-26T21:59:00.000-07:002009-04-26T21:59:00.000-07:00The term salad when used alone applies to green le...The term salad when used alone applies to green leaves or stalks that are eaten uncooked. An extension of the term salad, as now more generally used throughout the world, applies to a salad plant, with or without other foods, and a dressing.carehttp://www.carecaprice.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-82520028550375745422009-04-26T17:47:00.000-07:002009-04-26T17:47:00.000-07:00@Gary,
Thanks for your comment. I disagree about t...@Gary,<br />Thanks for your comment. I disagree about the mind being a substance, but have little time to discuss them over the next few days. Of course, you bring up interesting points. <br />When I spoke of neoplatonians, it was in reference to 99 per cent of Westerners who give precedence to thought over reality. <br /><br />@Dan,<br />I think the difference is the metaphyical roots are not set in matter. ;) Actually, "salades" in French also means nonsense, so there is a double-entendre which was lost there :)Being and Quirkinesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583685928768315045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-57972427657605285722009-04-26T07:41:00.000-07:002009-04-26T07:41:00.000-07:00Pay me no mind - all I was looking for was salads....Pay me no mind - all I was looking for was salads. And I thought I found it. Alas, we're all talking about metaphysical roots.<br /><br />My good sir, I'm quite hungry so I beg off from further exertions.<br /><br />Maybe Count Sneaky had it down pat: "When all is said and done, the most difficult thing in metaphysics is to grasp Poison Ivy."<br /><br />I think so, too. But then again, where's the value in that? I was only looking for salads after all. ",)Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13472304101104554768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-76817911934074606162009-04-25T19:27:00.000-07:002009-04-25T19:27:00.000-07:00I do not really want to argue what a "realist" or ...I do not really want to argue what a "realist" or Neo-Platonist would think – the labels stick on badly – but rather what I think, which if "realistic" or Neo-Platonic is fine, if not so be it – it probably is kind of. Thought and its object are both existents, sometimes the object is real, sometimes not. My point is that thought, and therefore a mind, is a real thing (not the brain). The mind exists just as tables and cars and countries and prime numbers and the moon exists, and a ferula. Which is to say thought exists. Moreover, it seems to me, that thought and its object are two, not one. The mind is a substance separate from any object it might think, including "its" body – Des Cartes was right about that. (He was wrong in his representationalism and his nominalism.)<br /><br />An Idea of a real thing and the real thing are not identical, ie literally, the same thing. (There is no such thing as "reality".) The idea is "of" the real thing, or of any existent that is its object. The idea is real, its object is real, the mind and the object are both substantial things. And they are separate. <br /><br />Intelligence is not a mirror, which would make the mirror image a "representation" of the real thing and we would be smack dab in the middle of representationalism. Such images, deputies, second-hand things don't exist. The mind knows its object directly, not though middlemen, intermediaries, spies, who, if they did exist, probably would distort things. <br /><br />Thus, when you talk of substance, you are the idea of substance and that is directly intimate with substance itself, an eternal thing. With your idea you are one with the object of your affection, but, as with a lover and his beloved, you are one without ceasing to be two. (Lovers do, however, sometimes give each other rashes.)The Ontological Nexushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17950312080786100753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-14488710943407341812009-04-25T18:08:00.000-07:002009-04-25T18:08:00.000-07:00@Jeremy,
Neoplatonians identify the idea of realit...@Jeremy,<br />Neoplatonians identify the idea of reality and reality. From there, intelligence becomes a mirror which distorts reality: ideologies are but grimaces of intelligence. <br /><br />@Phani,<br />Glad you liked. Thanks for stopping in.<br /><br />@Count Sneaky,<br />With substance-principle we are well and truly at the heart of reality, which we cannot get a rash from, since it is not concrete (nor abstract). ;-)Being and Quirkinesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583685928768315045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-88290442975972961432009-04-25T17:32:00.000-07:002009-04-25T17:32:00.000-07:00@Gary,
From the "realistic" point of view, thought...@Gary,<br />From the "realistic" point of view, thought is distinguished from the concrete reality, not separated. There is being we experiment concretly (white wall) and being we experiment in the abstract mode (whiteness). Beyond or common to these two modes is substance-principle, or being (as being) which is neither concrete nor abtract. In the same vein, you do not separate the egg and the oil in a mayonnaise mix, you distinguish them.Being and Quirkinesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583685928768315045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-17635105259045870472009-04-25T14:18:00.000-07:002009-04-25T14:18:00.000-07:00When all is said and done, the most difficult thin...When all is said and done, the most difficult thing in metaphysics is to grasp Poison Ivy. After all maybe it's not a bad idea to grasp it indirectly first, through rubber gloves, or even through an isolation suit. in short to understand its appearance before examining it per se. It's curious, sometimes we see things better for what they cause, rather than directly for its rashness. My Best. Count Sneaky.Count Sneakyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996792466850803692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-45928677973254501212009-04-24T19:44:00.000-07:002009-04-24T19:44:00.000-07:00"for that is well and truly what ideologies amount..."for that is well and truly what ideologies amount to: to cut out from reality what does not enter in the idea we make of it."<br /><br />But what is ideology? It seems to me that ideologies are often merely a way of viewing the world, what you, by necessity, have faith in, for reason must find a foundation.<br /><br />"Consequently, if one no longer seeks finality, only the roots remain: archaeology, genealogy, the ancestors etc. We turn ourselves towards the past, we are scared of the future and of death, because the term of our future is death, this inevitable gap in the clouds; we look at the foundation, we stay seated on our rear end."<br /><br />Often only by faith can you answer a question.Jeremy Jansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1886977568689637509.post-4609288062979305942009-04-24T19:03:00.000-07:002009-04-24T19:03:00.000-07:00Why do you insist on separating thought and realit...Why do you insist on separating thought and reality? This lovely post is thought thinking; it is not nothing. Surely its spritely movement<br />has escaped the chthonic Medusa, those swampy roots, the womb and tomb of man.The Ontological Nexushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17950312080786100753noreply@blogger.com